Pokemon Legendaries: Do you buy the fact that there's only one of each?

Okay, seriously... can you honestly buy that there's only ever one of any pokemon? The only two Pokemon that ah could name that are considered unique would be Mewtwo (created by humans, of course) and Arceus, the God of all Pokemon.

Yer thoughts?

~Rougia

I say there are more, most due to the fact it's funner that way. It's better to use your imagination and make up stuff like this than to follow seemingly Canon material like the bible.

Indeed; if you remember in the Jhoto saga, there were apparently two Lugia hitting it off and they had a child.

Also, I remember there being two Kyogres'..

I can see there only being one Palkia and Dailga since they control space and time. Same with the pixy trio since they sealed them. Mew is said to be the source of all pokemon and is an ancient being, so I can see there being only one. Celbi is a time traviler so one would make sense. The Regis are golums, so one of each also makes sense. Jirachi goes that dormant slumber thing, so it being one of a kind isn't that much of a strech either. Deyoxys is a mutated space virus... so that would be believable either way. Groudon does the same deep slumber thing Jirachi does so I could buy there being one. Giratina is a multidimensional being, so I think there could be one. Darkria just seems too loney to have others.

On the other hand there are a few canon insences of multi legends. Latios and Latias mention parents in the movie, so definatly more of them. Lugia had a baby in the Jhoto series, so multi there. Manaphy can breed, so bam. Also I think Rayquaza had a kid or an egg in one of the movies. So I guess it all depends on the legend.

I think the big problem with understanding legendary pokemon in the canon story is actual the language barrier. From what I've been told (and what I've learned in classes) the Japanese language doesn't have plurals in the same sense the English language does. There is no difference between saying 'a something' and 'the something' in Japanese. So it kind of varies from translation to translation. For example in one of the movies they refered to Enti as 'the' which sugest there is only one while in Pokemon Ranger they said 'a' which sugests there is more than one. So it's a tad bit confusing unless they spell it out for you.

it has benn proven alot of tyme that legendary aren't one of each for some.
lets see...

the bird trio is a thing that i don't take. zapdos, articuno and moltres... they have apeared too many times in the series. i do think there is only one mewtwo.. but yet again mew has been seen to many.

entei, raikou and suikune the legendary cat trio... i think there are less of those than the bird trio but still not only one. lugiia and ho-oh... it had already been said... there are more lugia, lugia have been seem a couple of times, even 2 lugia together. i think the same count's for ho-oh.
celebi... who hasn't seen the movie? celebi: voice of the forest?

regi-rock/ice/steel have been apeared to many too, like in the movie, lucario and the mystery of mew, as in the series they have apeared, multiple times. lati@s have apeared not much, but in the movie pokemon heroes you see several of them at the end. kyogre and groudon, my instinct tells me ther are several of them too, especially the movie pokemon ranger & the temple of the see gives me that thought, becouse kyogre is seen there. raiquaza is something to tink about, but my thought says there are more. jirashi has the same reason. and if one didn't saw Destiny deoxis he should...

i'm not sure about the 4th generation ones

i don't buy a minute of it.. there's so much talk of "the one legendary" over time why aren't they all old and stuff? i mean "for years they've been around" how old does that make them? and what happens when they die? i bet there's a whole lot of each.. pokemon games just haven't found them all ;p

Ragnarakk wrote:i don't buy a minute of it.. there's so much talk of "the one legendary" over time why aren't they all old and stuff? i mean "for years they've been around" how old does that make them? and what happens when they die? i bet there's a whole lot of each.. pokemon games just haven't found them all ;p

Well sure for some of the legendary pokemon the age issue would raise a few eyebrows but stop and think about a few of the more recent legends. Dailga is a perfect example here; do you really think a being who controls time itself would age? And if Dailga is timeless then its counter part Palkia is most likely also ageless. Celibi's in the same boat as Dailga with the time powers. They specifically say that Groudon, Kyogre, and Jirachi go into long periods of hybernation which could explain why they are rarely seen.

Magetorment wrote:Celbi is a time traviler so one would make sense

Actually, if you remember correctly; at the very end of Pokemon 4ever, both past and future Celebi's came to revive the fallen one of the present.

Kitti wrote:

Magetorment wrote:Celbi is a time traviler so one would make sense

Actually, if you remember correctly; at the very end of Pokemon 4ever, both past and future Celebi's came to revive the fallen one of the present.

hmm same thing i said, btw, pokemon 4-ever was very good IMO

Personally I think its just Arceus and Mewtwo. Areceus created Dialga and Palkia. So whats to say that they don't have younger versions that take over their jobs in case of being killed or captured? Like a safeguard to prevent their powers from being abused by the likes of Team Galactic.

Thinking about them like that makes sense to me. There is normally one set, but they can have younger versions come up to take over, which I would believe less powerful and such, if the old ones were killed or something. This way a balance is kept between the two. Now I don't think they are gonna pop up in the wild like a Rattata or Pidgey. But there being more than one would certainly fit.

I believe I read somewhere that Latios and Latias travel in groups, so I'm assuming that there is more then one of each(plus there's a male and a female, so what's stopping them from reproducing ) same with Heatran and Cresselia, as both of them have genders too.

Kitti wrote:

Magetorment wrote:Celbi is a time traviler so one would make sense

Actually, if you remember correctly; at the very end of Pokemon 4ever, both past and future Celebi's came to revive the fallen one of the present.

It's called a time paradox. All three Celibi were the same entity, but from diferent time periords.

Hmm, I remember them being more than three; anyways, Celebi has appeared within multiple Pokemon episodes.

Not all pokemon are one of a kind. The anime does show this at times. For example there was a trilogy where there was a mother and Baby Lugia, and in the battle frontier Ash faced a guy with an Articuno (one of the few Frontier eps I was able to see). I would think its definately not the one from the second movie, due to that legend and all to not disturb them.

I believe some of them there are only 1. Such as you said Mewtwo and Arceus, along with Palkia, Dialga, Mew (rest maybe died off), and Ho-Oh.

We know for a fact from the movies that there are more then one Celebi, Latios, and Latias. And a few of the others.

Okay, I doubt that Mew is one of a kind. it's appeared n several places far across the different regions in the movies. Palkia and Dialga could be one of a kind... But I'd prefer to think of them as being the only ones of their kind with that amount of power. When/If one of them died, they would pass on that power to a successor. Mewtwo is obviously one of a kind (Unless Giovanni sanctioned another Mewtwo creation without anyone knowing) And Arceus, being the God of Pokemon, is naturally one of a kind. Groudon and Kyogre, definitely not one of a kind. I've seen more than one Kyogre on a few occasions. And we all know the Legendary birds aren't so one of a kind. Latios and Latias are rare, but not one of a kind, nor are Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, or Lugia.

Celebi? open to debate. Time travel is involved there and that's always iffy. In the movie, Celebi from past and future arrived to revive their fallen comrade. Is that true? Or was it simply the same Celebi, simply popping in from different moments in time to help revive itself? It's up for debate.

Jirachi? Could stand as a one of a kind. That whole 'awaken only during the Millennium Comet ever one thousand years' thing is. But then it could also simply work like I suggested earlier on Palkia and Dialga. They could exist, sure, but.. no where near as powerful as the legendary Jirachi is.

Manaphy? Not one of a kind. rare, yes, but not alone. Manaphy were probably once a very prosperous race, but not as prone to show themselves to humans anymore.

The sprite Pokemon, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf... could be one of a kind.. but doubtful. They bear a close resemblance to Mew. And if Giratina, Palkia and Dialga can hop dimensions, who's to say they can't?

Ho-oh? Not one of a kind. Please, we've seen that the majority of Pokemon on earth are not one of a kind, barring genetic experiments and divine beings. Just because they're rare doesn't mean they're one of a kind. Most of you I'm sure saw the Lucario movie. A whole area, untouched by humans, with dozens of rare and supposedly extinct Pokemon. All hidden away and protected, so.. Yea.

I don't buy that the 'Legendary' Pokemon are all one of a kind (Barring Mewtwo and Arceus).

That's my opinion. Thoughts?

~Galen/Rougia

I believe that there is more than one mew, they are just very good at hiding from humans. Plus there is probably a very small number of them running around. Thus decreasing the chance of seeing them. Mewtwo however, he seems to pop up in several games though only once in the show. I wonder if mewtwo ever decided to not be so lonely and did a little more cloning. This dark mewtwo has his own story line origins. But yeah, I think there is only one of certain legendaries.

I present "Shiney Pokemon."

End of Debate. XD

If there were to be only one of any species from its birth to extinction, it would have to have an impossibly long lifespan as a rule of nature.

Or, it wouldn't exist. Of course, we're talking fictional creatures here XD Like what Kitti said several posts before me, it's funner to have two legendaries hitting on each other than two regular pokemon :3

I believe though there is only 1 Ho-Oh.

I think this because that Pokemon seems to make me think of a Phoenix rising from the ashes. In reference to Tin Tower burning and Ho-Oh fled, yet Ash saw it in the very beginning of his journey. I believe Ho-Oh reincarnates from the ashes if it did die.

I think I'll just leave it there. But I agree that not all Legendaries are one-only beings. I think we've all come to that conclusion, which is what the topic is about.

"Do you buy the fact that there's only one of each?"
Answer: No.

But...this is just my opinion, not trying to force my opinions on everyone else. ^^;

Do you think the Legendaries somehow do it by using other Pokemon?
If that were true...

If there was another Pokemon, they may seek out a Ditto. Just for simplicity.

However, I noticed on Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness.
Uxie was male, Mesprit was female and Azelf was (I think) male. So there is gender even if the games label them genderless.

You know, it's either they have an incredibly long life span, sexually abuse Dittos or are herms capable of fertilising themselves

pokemon don't last that long.. they probably last human lifespans.. like us.. so there'd have to be a fair load to unf every so often to make more :3

there are more than one of most of the legenedaries, they're all just hiding.

Ragnarakk wrote:pokemon don't last that long.. they probably last human lifespans.. like us.. so there'd have to be a fair load to unf every so often to make more :3

Err...I have to disagree with that they only last human lifespans. Since Absol isn't even a legendary and it lives 100 years as it is written in Pokedex entries. Pokemon live for a very long time...

Well, I think some legendaries that are almost god-like (Arceus, Giratina, etc) are probably one of a kind and probably nearly immortal. As for the lesser legends, I think they are very very rare (maybe less than 10 for each species, scattered around the world) and, while they technically can't breed, there are probably rare moments (maybe once every 5 or 10 years) where they can breed and produce an offspring. It ensures their number stay low while making sure the species keeps going (they are protectors of places after all, so it would be a bad thing if they were to vanish)

I think it depends on the legendary, since in the series its been seen that there is more then one shaymin, lugia, articuno, latios, latias and such X3 and even in pokemon snap you had to hatch articuno, zapdos and moltres eggs XD

Though I do think that Arcueus, Giratina, Dialga, Palkia, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf and mewtwo. Pokemon that are thought of as gods and/or were created by this god pokemon. And Mewtwo because of being man made. I might also group the legendary dog trio into the one of a kinders because they were created by Ho-oh from three pokemon that died in the burning tower and I doubt that Ho-oh will just randomly keep creating more of the same three pokemon making them unique. I also agree that Ho-oh (unlike its lugia conterpart) is a one of a kind and that like someone else said does the phoenix rising from the ashes thing.

I thought of a definition of what makes something legendary (for a comic I wrote once).
To gain the title of legendary, a Pokémon must not evolve, and must be unique for at least 50 years (it also helps if they have a long lifespan). They then are known as Legendary Pokémon (even if other ones turn up later).
They can then lose the title if they are no longer unique for 500 years, or gain an evolution/pre-evolution (this happened to Arcanine).

I think there is only one Arceus, Giratina, Uxie, Aself, Mesprite, Mewtwo, Jirachi and Celebi (although you can see more than one Celebi at a time if a past and future self come together).

All the others are not unique and will lose the title in under 500 years (or instantainiously if they gain an evo). Lugia in particular is very close to losing it (having only 64 years left).

I'm a Nerd.

Sparktail wrote:Well, I think some legendaries that are almost god-like (Arceus, Giratina, etc) are probably one of a kind and probably nearly immortal. As for the lesser legends, I think they are very very rare (maybe less than 10 for each species, scattered around the world) and, while they technically can't breed, there are probably rare moments (maybe once every 5 or 10 years) where they can breed and produce an offspring. It ensures their number stay low while making sure the species keeps going (they are protectors of places after all, so it would be a bad thing if they were to vanish)

What about *Shivers slightly.* the 5th Pokemon movie. Latios and Latias are said to either breed, or when the Eon dies they leave eggs behind. So Legendaries CAN breed.

And I do believe I was the one that spoke about Ho-Oh being like the phoenix that rises from the ashes. Good to see others agree with that theory. X3

but what about mew?,it's said to be the ancestor of pokemon so it has to have lived for a LONG time

According to the Anime there are at least 2 Mews.
One which appeared in the first movie, and the one which appeared in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew was a different one.

I had said that once with a debate on MSN with someone, saying it was a different Mew. That argument ended with me winning. I simply stated that the Mew in the 8th movie was in a symbiotic relationship with the Tree of Beginning...so there is no way Mew could stray far from the tree either way.

ah i see

Adler wrote:According to the Anime there are at least 2 Mews.
One which appeared in the first movie, and the one which appeared in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew was a different one.

Dang. I was getting ready to point that out :3

You can't say they're the same, since both Mews seem to have completely different powers (first movie it has I think a form of Shadow Ball, while eight movie it has Transform).

If you want to get technical, there's actually three Mews (Mirage Mew from the Mirage movie).

well first off, about celibi, some people say that in the movie all of the celibis were the same one, just from different time periods which would imply that it is immortal which I kinda cant believe at this point. Also in mystery dungeon two there is a shiny celibi and another one in the first game at the end of the damned purity forest *sighs* hate that place.

As of lately I have actually been wondering if there is only one Arceus in existence. I believe they could actually of been angles or warriors of heave. Part of my belief is that it is said to "have sculpted the universe with its thousand arms",I've heard rumors and stories that some gods have actually lost limbs and such, but for a quadruped to have a thousand arms is a bit far fetched. In my "fan fiction" I proposed that after the Creator made the world, he went to rest and an Arceus took over and took all the credit of making the universe. There is also the fact that if Arceus was a God it would be ALOT stronger than it was in the games, and also as a warrior it defends the path to heaven which is called forth by the azure flute.
I cant be assure of this until the movie comes out (and you know it eventually will). Which also brings up another point, Ash will meet Arceus...

*Ash waving to Arceus*"Hi God!" (you know this could happen)

*shakes my head* What?... ... ... *pauses in disbelief* What!?!?

Well, Pokemon is a Japanese thing so...well like in Okami this is possible, but I still think that it is very unlikely.

And I say...nuts to your theory. LOL

Everyone knows the game and the anime contradicts each other and that the game dumbs down all Pokemon so they are capturable or look weakened. And since when were cames consistent? Pokemon Pearl, they call Palkia. Pokemon Diamond, they call Dialga. Pokemon Platinum they call Palkia, Dialga AND Giratina.

I understand what you're saying full well, just not totally finalizing my theory until I can see the movie eventually.